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		<title>By: Monday Morning Roundup &#124; Tips by Tony</title>
		<link>http://bengrey.com/blog/2009/04/technology-guidelines/comment-page-1/#comment-778</link>
		<dc:creator>Monday Morning Roundup &#124; Tips by Tony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 16:53:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Doug Sawyer</title>
		<link>http://bengrey.com/blog/2009/04/technology-guidelines/comment-page-1/#comment-704</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug Sawyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 02:34:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m late to the discussion but here are my thoughts.

1. This point goes with all the other &quot;new media /technology&quot; issues.  In US education we are so worried about liability the first instinct is to BAN IT!  I always go back to the same argument.  How often do kids do /say inappropriate things on the playground at recess time. The answer is A LOT.  However, we do not ban the playground or recess.  Grant it much of the inappropriate playground behavior is either overlooked, ignored, or not noticed because the whole world doesn&#039;t have access to it.  When something does happen out there that is substantial it is dealt with by enforcing already established consequences and the student(s) involved are allowed to attend recess again, eventually.  With these new medias / technologies, we need to establish rules and guidelines and enforce consequences when these rules are broken.  Taking away or banning the opportunity to use the technology is not the way to go.

2. The person who believes this suffers from what I call The Monica(Friends reference) syndrome.  That is they probably have some form of OCD.  Does every other part of their life have to be perfect as well?  It&#039;s not &quot;normal&quot; to always be perfect and in an educational environment insisting on absolute perfection is doing nothing but discouraging learning.  

Having vented that I also wonder if this isn&#039;t the result of internet publishing being in it&#039;s infancy.  We have had hard copy print long enough that we have solid categories established. For example, if you put several types of print in front of a person they will be able to categorize them very quickly just by the look of them. Novels, tabloids, pop culture magazines, student work, academic journals, and non-fiction books all have a developed a distinct look to them.  On the internet it is much more difficult to distinguish what type of material we are reading.  In fact, it is much easier to publish something that is completely untruthful and make it appear to be well researched and real.  So, my point here is that I would expect more errors when reading a hard print version of student work or even a tabloid that I would in a well edited novel nor a academic journal written by a PHD.  It should be the same on the internet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m late to the discussion but here are my thoughts.</p>
<p>1. This point goes with all the other &#8220;new media /technology&#8221; issues.  In US education we are so worried about liability the first instinct is to BAN IT!  I always go back to the same argument.  How often do kids do /say inappropriate things on the playground at recess time. The answer is A LOT.  However, we do not ban the playground or recess.  Grant it much of the inappropriate playground behavior is either overlooked, ignored, or not noticed because the whole world doesn&#8217;t have access to it.  When something does happen out there that is substantial it is dealt with by enforcing already established consequences and the student(s) involved are allowed to attend recess again, eventually.  With these new medias / technologies, we need to establish rules and guidelines and enforce consequences when these rules are broken.  Taking away or banning the opportunity to use the technology is not the way to go.</p>
<p>2. The person who believes this suffers from what I call The Monica(Friends reference) syndrome.  That is they probably have some form of OCD.  Does every other part of their life have to be perfect as well?  It&#8217;s not &#8220;normal&#8221; to always be perfect and in an educational environment insisting on absolute perfection is doing nothing but discouraging learning.  </p>
<p>Having vented that I also wonder if this isn&#8217;t the result of internet publishing being in it&#8217;s infancy.  We have had hard copy print long enough that we have solid categories established. For example, if you put several types of print in front of a person they will be able to categorize them very quickly just by the look of them. Novels, tabloids, pop culture magazines, student work, academic journals, and non-fiction books all have a developed a distinct look to them.  On the internet it is much more difficult to distinguish what type of material we are reading.  In fact, it is much easier to publish something that is completely untruthful and make it appear to be well researched and real.  So, my point here is that I would expect more errors when reading a hard print version of student work or even a tabloid that I would in a well edited novel nor a academic journal written by a PHD.  It should be the same on the internet.</p>
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		<title>By: S Ardis</title>
		<link>http://bengrey.com/blog/2009/04/technology-guidelines/comment-page-1/#comment-691</link>
		<dc:creator>S Ardis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 23:03:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There has been a bit of debate about these topics in my district. Not necessarily from the IT area but from the teachers and principals themselves who are unsure about these new technologies and what publishing on the web is and can be. To prepare our teachers, we have discussed and this year installed internal wikis, blogs, moodle so they can learn the lingo and experience these technologies. 

We have talked about giving these staff and their students an opportunity to publish in a safe, closed environment so we can encourage them to publish in a public way next year as we redesign our schools site and hope to have forums for families, blogs for various departments. The first conversations were interesting - people really do have a lot of misunderstandings about the technology now readily available and the real necessity for students to have these opportunities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There has been a bit of debate about these topics in my district. Not necessarily from the IT area but from the teachers and principals themselves who are unsure about these new technologies and what publishing on the web is and can be. To prepare our teachers, we have discussed and this year installed internal wikis, blogs, moodle so they can learn the lingo and experience these technologies. </p>
<p>We have talked about giving these staff and their students an opportunity to publish in a safe, closed environment so we can encourage them to publish in a public way next year as we redesign our schools site and hope to have forums for families, blogs for various departments. The first conversations were interesting &#8211; people really do have a lot of misunderstandings about the technology now readily available and the real necessity for students to have these opportunities.</p>
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		<title>By: Susan Carter Morgan</title>
		<link>http://bengrey.com/blog/2009/04/technology-guidelines/comment-page-1/#comment-690</link>
		<dc:creator>Susan Carter Morgan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 21:37:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1. I just had a fascinating discussion with my class about the use of &quot;damn&quot; in a post that read something like, &quot;damn, that line from Frankenstein jumped out at me&quot; from a 14 year old. We used the class time to talk about language, meaning, and audience. Wouldn&#039;t have happened without blogs and wikis being open and available.
2. Process, not product = learning</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1. I just had a fascinating discussion with my class about the use of &#8220;damn&#8221; in a post that read something like, &#8220;damn, that line from Frankenstein jumped out at me&#8221; from a 14 year old. We used the class time to talk about language, meaning, and audience. Wouldn&#8217;t have happened without blogs and wikis being open and available.<br />
2. Process, not product = learning</p>
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		<title>By: Carl Anderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carl Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 20:37:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lets apply these rules to another facet of our schools:

1.  Athletic teams should not be allowed to play away games, school clubs should not be allowed to take trips, classes should not be allowed to go on field trips, student work should not be allowed to be published in anthologies printed by private organizations, and school newspapers and yearbooks should only be printed at school because when students or their work leaves our walls we can&#039;t control how others might influence them.

2.  Students should not be allowed to play team sports unless they have perfected their game, students should not be allowed to ask questions because it might reveal something deficient either in a student&#039;s capacity or knowledge thus embarrassing them, only kids with perfect complexion and who are not too fat or too skinny and only those who have nice hair should be allowed to be in the yearbook because the ugly ones might be embarrassed, and only pleasant stories should appear in our school newspaper because we don&#039;t want anyone to get upset.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lets apply these rules to another facet of our schools:</p>
<p>1.  Athletic teams should not be allowed to play away games, school clubs should not be allowed to take trips, classes should not be allowed to go on field trips, student work should not be allowed to be published in anthologies printed by private organizations, and school newspapers and yearbooks should only be printed at school because when students or their work leaves our walls we can&#8217;t control how others might influence them.</p>
<p>2.  Students should not be allowed to play team sports unless they have perfected their game, students should not be allowed to ask questions because it might reveal something deficient either in a student&#8217;s capacity or knowledge thus embarrassing them, only kids with perfect complexion and who are not too fat or too skinny and only those who have nice hair should be allowed to be in the yearbook because the ugly ones might be embarrassed, and only pleasant stories should appear in our school newspaper because we don&#8217;t want anyone to get upset.</p>
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		<title>By: CHollingsworth</title>
		<link>http://bengrey.com/blog/2009/04/technology-guidelines/comment-page-1/#comment-684</link>
		<dc:creator>CHollingsworth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 13:25:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In regards to #2 - does the school prohibit a less than ready football team to take the field?  Or a band that has a few students who don&#039;t quite hit all the notes correctly still perform a concert?  When you hear the 6th grade band perform, it may not be perfect, but everyone understands they are still learning and growing in this skill.  Is it not the same for academic learning?  It should be put into the context of learning, which involves making (and learning to correct) mistakes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In regards to #2 &#8211; does the school prohibit a less than ready football team to take the field?  Or a band that has a few students who don&#8217;t quite hit all the notes correctly still perform a concert?  When you hear the 6th grade band perform, it may not be perfect, but everyone understands they are still learning and growing in this skill.  Is it not the same for academic learning?  It should be put into the context of learning, which involves making (and learning to correct) mistakes.</p>
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		<title>By: Grace Finn</title>
		<link>http://bengrey.com/blog/2009/04/technology-guidelines/comment-page-1/#comment-682</link>
		<dc:creator>Grace Finn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 05:09:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, the issue of control is everywhere.   It seems that many IT professionals will simply block blogs making decisions for the schools when they do not have the education backgrounds to make these decisions.  The teachers are not being treated as professionals, but as children who do not know better. 
Blogs could be very useful and they should be monitored by the teacher - they represent a product of learning. Students can read and comment on the writings of each other. A good example is: http://areallydifferentplace.org/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, the issue of control is everywhere.   It seems that many IT professionals will simply block blogs making decisions for the schools when they do not have the education backgrounds to make these decisions.  The teachers are not being treated as professionals, but as children who do not know better.<br />
Blogs could be very useful and they should be monitored by the teacher &#8211; they represent a product of learning. Students can read and comment on the writings of each other. A good example is: <a href="http://areallydifferentplace.org/" rel="nofollow">http://areallydifferentplace.org/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Stephanie Anderson</title>
		<link>http://bengrey.com/blog/2009/04/technology-guidelines/comment-page-1/#comment-681</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephanie Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 03:19:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a similar sentiment to my district, who is trying with all their might to control everything coming and going, even thought the IT department is literally 5 guys. They want teachers to use and integrate tech, but only with permission and it just doesn&#039;t work that way.

The idea of a district wanting control is nothing new, it is the second point that I would like to address: What makes for innovation and creativity is the ability to be OK with imperfection. Sometimes that means spelling errors and grammar errors. So what? If you re-enforce the idea that it should be perfect before ever letting anyone see it then you are setting a student up to NEVER finish anything, and as a teacher of the gifted I can tell you this is a HUGE mistake!  As humans we learn by trying and failing, again and again and again. And it&#039;s not just how to get it right that we are learning, it is also how to persevere, how to deal with failure, and how to change and grow through our attempts.

When you come from a perspective that only what is perfect is worthy, you eliminate all of the good stuff because those kids, the ones who are truly brilliant, are never even going to try.

Tell your friend to be careful, what he are asking for is mediocrity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a similar sentiment to my district, who is trying with all their might to control everything coming and going, even thought the IT department is literally 5 guys. They want teachers to use and integrate tech, but only with permission and it just doesn&#8217;t work that way.</p>
<p>The idea of a district wanting control is nothing new, it is the second point that I would like to address: What makes for innovation and creativity is the ability to be OK with imperfection. Sometimes that means spelling errors and grammar errors. So what? If you re-enforce the idea that it should be perfect before ever letting anyone see it then you are setting a student up to NEVER finish anything, and as a teacher of the gifted I can tell you this is a HUGE mistake!  As humans we learn by trying and failing, again and again and again. And it&#8217;s not just how to get it right that we are learning, it is also how to persevere, how to deal with failure, and how to change and grow through our attempts.</p>
<p>When you come from a perspective that only what is perfect is worthy, you eliminate all of the good stuff because those kids, the ones who are truly brilliant, are never even going to try.</p>
<p>Tell your friend to be careful, what he are asking for is mediocrity.</p>
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		<title>By: Carolyn Foote</title>
		<link>http://bengrey.com/blog/2009/04/technology-guidelines/comment-page-1/#comment-680</link>
		<dc:creator>Carolyn Foote</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 03:17:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My issue here--that it doesn&#039;t address learning as an &#039;ongoing&#039; open process.

The focus is on the product, and what it looks like and who controls it.   But we all know that learning is about the process--about learning what we don&#039;t know, of sharing our ideas, and of making mistakes and learning from them.

In a perfectly controlled environment, can that sort of messy learning happen?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My issue here&#8211;that it doesn&#8217;t address learning as an &#8216;ongoing&#8217; open process.</p>
<p>The focus is on the product, and what it looks like and who controls it.   But we all know that learning is about the process&#8211;about learning what we don&#8217;t know, of sharing our ideas, and of making mistakes and learning from them.</p>
<p>In a perfectly controlled environment, can that sort of messy learning happen?</p>
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		<title>By: Darren Kuropatwa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darren Kuropatwa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 03:11:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We all seem to be saying the same thing, hands down, most succinct comment about the whole thing goes to Dave Cormier above.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We all seem to be saying the same thing, hands down, most succinct comment about the whole thing goes to Dave Cormier above.</p>
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