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		<title>By: Ideas and Thoughts from an EdTech » THIS is a 21st Century Skill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ideas and Thoughts from an EdTech » THIS is a 21st Century Skill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 07:35:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] term 21st Century skill since many of these skills have been around for a long time. It&#8217;s not a discussion I&#8217;m passionate about but sometimes I&#8217;m struck but the clarity of a skill that is [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] term 21st Century skill since many of these skills have been around for a long time. It&#8217;s not a discussion I&#8217;m passionate about but sometimes I&#8217;m struck but the clarity of a skill that is [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Shann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Shann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 00:29:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like Jackie, I found myself thinking historically as I read the blogs, tweets and responses. 
Ben, you said that maybe you&#039;d think about including &#039;viewing&#039; as a fifth to join the big four. What about &#039;representing&#039; too? Australian English teachers (others too?) have been thinking about a big 6 for a while now: (1) writing, (2) speaking and (3) representing for that aspect of literacy that&#039;s about communicating and/or expressing our ideas; (4) reading, (5) viewing and (6) listening for that aspect of literacy that&#039;s about receiving others&#039; communications. It&#039;s too neat, and if taken literally as if all these things were in tight unconnected boxes it&#039;s ridiculous. But what I like about this big 6 is that it keeps us grounded in what literacy traditionally has always been about while at the same time making some room for the many ways communication has changed over the past. 
I&#039;ve found the challenges you&#039;ve been putting out really useful. Many thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like Jackie, I found myself thinking historically as I read the blogs, tweets and responses.<br />
Ben, you said that maybe you&#8217;d think about including &#8216;viewing&#8217; as a fifth to join the big four. What about &#8216;representing&#8217; too? Australian English teachers (others too?) have been thinking about a big 6 for a while now: (1) writing, (2) speaking and (3) representing for that aspect of literacy that&#8217;s about communicating and/or expressing our ideas; (4) reading, (5) viewing and (6) listening for that aspect of literacy that&#8217;s about receiving others&#8217; communications. It&#8217;s too neat, and if taken literally as if all these things were in tight unconnected boxes it&#8217;s ridiculous. But what I like about this big 6 is that it keeps us grounded in what literacy traditionally has always been about while at the same time making some room for the many ways communication has changed over the past.<br />
I&#8217;ve found the challenges you&#8217;ve been putting out really useful. Many thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: dougbelshaw.com/blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The problem(s) of 21st century literacy/ies</title>
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		<dc:creator>dougbelshaw.com/blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The problem(s) of 21st century literacy/ies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 16:58:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] come across Ben Grey&#8217;s blog post entitled 21st Century Confusion, which he followed up with 21st Century Clarification. Ben&#8217;s an eloquent and nuanced writer, so I suggest you go and read what he has to say before [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] come across Ben Grey&#8217;s blog post entitled 21st Century Confusion, which he followed up with 21st Century Clarification. Ben&#8217;s an eloquent and nuanced writer, so I suggest you go and read what he has to say before [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jay Fogleman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay Fogleman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 11:57:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for continuing an interesting conversation.

Though I relish coherent working definitions, I agree with Doug Belshaw&#039;s recognition that sometimes a pragmatic approach is necessary to move forward.  Time for an application question:

Given the different ways that this discussion has progressed, i.e. from twitter to web meetings, to blogs, should a person who is  &quot;21st century literate&quot; be able to gather up, make sense of, and concisely synthesize this discussion, and then move towards informed action?  

The web has upset the produce/consumer hierarchy of knowledge and information, and has multiplied our students&#039; (and our own)  access to knowledge, information, opinion, etc.  I am beginning to think that (1) there are indeed new literacies required to collaboratively manage and act on this influx, and (2) as a teacher, I  do not feel that I have the theoretical framework or  tools to understand and teach around this problem.   I look forward to reading (the abstract) of your thesis!  :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for continuing an interesting conversation.</p>
<p>Though I relish coherent working definitions, I agree with Doug Belshaw&#8217;s recognition that sometimes a pragmatic approach is necessary to move forward.  Time for an application question:</p>
<p>Given the different ways that this discussion has progressed, i.e. from twitter to web meetings, to blogs, should a person who is  &#8220;21st century literate&#8221; be able to gather up, make sense of, and concisely synthesize this discussion, and then move towards informed action?  </p>
<p>The web has upset the produce/consumer hierarchy of knowledge and information, and has multiplied our students&#8217; (and our own)  access to knowledge, information, opinion, etc.  I am beginning to think that (1) there are indeed new literacies required to collaboratively manage and act on this influx, and (2) as a teacher, I  do not feel that I have the theoretical framework or  tools to understand and teach around this problem.   I look forward to reading (the abstract) of your thesis!  <img src='http://bengrey.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Jackie Gerstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jackie Gerstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jan 2009 18:14:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for keeping up this discussion.  But I still have to advocate for the redefinition of literacy based on the evolution of us as a species.  You state that there are four pillars to literacy - writing, reading, speaking and listening.  If we could travel back in time prior to the &quot;invention&quot; of the written word, how would the &quot;scholars&quot; of that time define literacy in the absence of reading and writing?  Would you say that literacy did not exist prior to the written word? By limiting the definition of literacy to the four pillars, the distant past as well as the distant and not-so-distant future does not become part of the bigger picture.

I would prefer a broader definition based on how people make sense of and communicate in the world in the 21st century - not one necessarily specific to technology.  So I do agree with your comment, &quot;I think it is imperative that we all work together to help better the learning experience for students.  If we’re all calling and advocating for different things using the same terms, the result will be to dilute the power of what is most effective.&quot; Hopefully, this discussion will lead to some &quot;collective&quot; understanding of the meaning of literacy in the 21st century.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for keeping up this discussion.  But I still have to advocate for the redefinition of literacy based on the evolution of us as a species.  You state that there are four pillars to literacy &#8211; writing, reading, speaking and listening.  If we could travel back in time prior to the &#8220;invention&#8221; of the written word, how would the &#8220;scholars&#8221; of that time define literacy in the absence of reading and writing?  Would you say that literacy did not exist prior to the written word? By limiting the definition of literacy to the four pillars, the distant past as well as the distant and not-so-distant future does not become part of the bigger picture.</p>
<p>I would prefer a broader definition based on how people make sense of and communicate in the world in the 21st century &#8211; not one necessarily specific to technology.  So I do agree with your comment, &#8220;I think it is imperative that we all work together to help better the learning experience for students.  If we’re all calling and advocating for different things using the same terms, the result will be to dilute the power of what is most effective.&#8221; Hopefully, this discussion will lead to some &#8220;collective&#8221; understanding of the meaning of literacy in the 21st century.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Schwister</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Schwister</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jan 2009 15:31:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ben Yep. Literacy can be both particle and wave.</description>
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		<title>By: Ben Grey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben Grey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jan 2009 06:32:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doug-
Thanks for being part of the discussion.  Yes, I believe we need to be as precise as possible with our language.  That is what makes this entire discussion so very important.  If we&#039;re all operating from different definitions of the same word, how can we expect to make true change in the learning experience for students?

Kelly-
Yes, this discussion has been extremely challenging for me as well.  I was a fifth grade teacher for five years, so I know how very important this is to the elementary level.  I&#039;m hoping to reach a point soon where the more the discussion takes place, the more clarity will be established.  I think perhaps in the near future, it&#039;s likely more questions will arise than answers, but I&#039;m hopeful that these questions will lead us to answers and a position where we can work as a united team to further the cause of literacy.

ehelfant-
I read your post and it&#039;s as sophisticated and thorough as anything that we have going here, so share that link with pride.  I do disagree with you a bit that the notion of literacy is changing as dramatically as many people want us to believe.  I think starting at the core of what it takes to communicate effectively (reading, writing, speaking, and listening) will serve as a springboard for students to engage the emerging skills that are developing due to the rapid change technology is facilitating in our society.  If we can work from a common foundation, I believe we can be much more effective in getting teachers, students, administrators, and every other constituent group on board to begin to foster true change in our educational system.

Dan-
You knew I was going to disagree with you.  I&#039;ll try not to disappoint.  I believe this is where it begins, not winds down.  If we can formulate this foundation, we can build effectively upward.  The definition of literacy is absolutely evolving.  Very early in the history of mankind, we communicated through stories and actions.  At that point meaning was drawn from communication through speaking and listening.  If you could do both well, you were very successful and quite literate.  The advent of printed word then forced the evolution of literacy to include reading and writing.  Now ideas can be communicated by speaking and writing, and meaning can be drawn by the recipient by listening and reading.  Will there be a new form of communication that adds another layer to literacy?  Likely, but it will be macro evolution like we saw with printed text.  The concept will still remain within it&#039;s given framework (relating entirely to the communication of ideas) that causes us to call it literacy in the first place.  Literacy can&#039;t evolve into meaning general proficiency any more than a dog can evolve into a cat.  It will most certainly go forward in an entirely organic state of evolution, but again, that evolution will still have to remain within the specified parameters of what makes literacy what it is, or else we will have to establish an entirely new nomenclature for this new concept.

Scott-
Outstanding comment.  Some absolute astounding observations and support.  Let me ask you this question.  Could it be that the way we change how we teach the four main tenets of literacy be the defining focus that changes education rather than trying to change that which makes up literacy itself?  What I see in your response is an opportunity for students to engage in the process of learning to be literate in new, dynamic ways.  Using VoiceThread, blogging, exploring interrelationships and intercontextuality and the like could potentially vault our students into an entirely deeper ability to engage literacy than we had the opportunity to do when we were students.  Imagine if we made that the focus instead of constantly trying to redefine terms that serve to cause confusion for those who are trying to teach our students how to engage.  Both of your main points could be the means by which we engage this deeper level of literacy instruction to be sure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doug-<br />
Thanks for being part of the discussion.  Yes, I believe we need to be as precise as possible with our language.  That is what makes this entire discussion so very important.  If we&#8217;re all operating from different definitions of the same word, how can we expect to make true change in the learning experience for students?</p>
<p>Kelly-<br />
Yes, this discussion has been extremely challenging for me as well.  I was a fifth grade teacher for five years, so I know how very important this is to the elementary level.  I&#8217;m hoping to reach a point soon where the more the discussion takes place, the more clarity will be established.  I think perhaps in the near future, it&#8217;s likely more questions will arise than answers, but I&#8217;m hopeful that these questions will lead us to answers and a position where we can work as a united team to further the cause of literacy.</p>
<p>ehelfant-<br />
I read your post and it&#8217;s as sophisticated and thorough as anything that we have going here, so share that link with pride.  I do disagree with you a bit that the notion of literacy is changing as dramatically as many people want us to believe.  I think starting at the core of what it takes to communicate effectively (reading, writing, speaking, and listening) will serve as a springboard for students to engage the emerging skills that are developing due to the rapid change technology is facilitating in our society.  If we can work from a common foundation, I believe we can be much more effective in getting teachers, students, administrators, and every other constituent group on board to begin to foster true change in our educational system.</p>
<p>Dan-<br />
You knew I was going to disagree with you.  I&#8217;ll try not to disappoint.  I believe this is where it begins, not winds down.  If we can formulate this foundation, we can build effectively upward.  The definition of literacy is absolutely evolving.  Very early in the history of mankind, we communicated through stories and actions.  At that point meaning was drawn from communication through speaking and listening.  If you could do both well, you were very successful and quite literate.  The advent of printed word then forced the evolution of literacy to include reading and writing.  Now ideas can be communicated by speaking and writing, and meaning can be drawn by the recipient by listening and reading.  Will there be a new form of communication that adds another layer to literacy?  Likely, but it will be macro evolution like we saw with printed text.  The concept will still remain within it&#8217;s given framework (relating entirely to the communication of ideas) that causes us to call it literacy in the first place.  Literacy can&#8217;t evolve into meaning general proficiency any more than a dog can evolve into a cat.  It will most certainly go forward in an entirely organic state of evolution, but again, that evolution will still have to remain within the specified parameters of what makes literacy what it is, or else we will have to establish an entirely new nomenclature for this new concept.</p>
<p>Scott-<br />
Outstanding comment.  Some absolute astounding observations and support.  Let me ask you this question.  Could it be that the way we change how we teach the four main tenets of literacy be the defining focus that changes education rather than trying to change that which makes up literacy itself?  What I see in your response is an opportunity for students to engage in the process of learning to be literate in new, dynamic ways.  Using VoiceThread, blogging, exploring interrelationships and intercontextuality and the like could potentially vault our students into an entirely deeper ability to engage literacy than we had the opportunity to do when we were students.  Imagine if we made that the focus instead of constantly trying to redefine terms that serve to cause confusion for those who are trying to teach our students how to engage.  Both of your main points could be the means by which we engage this deeper level of literacy instruction to be sure.</p>
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		<dc:creator>laboring for invention &#171; Higher Edison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 18:25:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] there nothing new under the sun? Ben&#8217;s question has spawned some excellent discussion here, here, and [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Scott Schwister</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Schwister</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 01:09:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fascinating discussions taking place both here and south of your &quot;confusion&quot; post. Thanks for getting them started. Much here to sink the ol&#039; mental teeth into.

While I&#039;m heartened to see our familiar friends The 4 Pillars (read, write, speak, listen) out front, loud and proud, and I agree that they&#039;re fundamental, it feels like something&#039;s missing. You deserve kudos for critically raising the possibility that the 21st century skills/literacies moniker is slapping a new label on an old concept, and for worrying about the consequences re credibility. But I think there IS something new going on here that goes beyond the Big 4, or at least beyond our traditional understanding of them as the cardinal literacy compass points, and it&#039;s worth our attention.

Some really-really half-baked attempts to extend what I mean:

SYNTHESES &amp; INTERSTICES: Our traditional sense of reading/writing/speaking/listening (at least, of teaching them) tends to isolate them, focusing on each as if it&#039;s a monolithic, stand-alone competency. You read. Tomorrow you write. Next month, during the speech unit, you speak. Might 21st c. literacy be about how they interact and combine and synthesize? About what happens in the spaces between the monoliths, or in the student whose engagement shifts quickly between them, and whose role (reader/writer/speaker/listener) shifts as quickly? I agree with the basic premises of your VT example---it&#039;s useless without core literacy, and it&#039;ll give way to something new before we know it. But I think it&#039;s a good, current example of a &quot;new literacy&quot; experience in the way that it juxtaposes the Big 4, and allows (demands, almost) engagement with all four at once. And, more to the point, it demands attention to their interrelationships and intercontextuality. How, for instance, my thinking about a VT artifact organically changes from first viewing to second as a result of listening to a comment, or how my understanding of a comment changes as a result of composing my own comment. Is it enough to be just readers or writers in isolation? We need to be readers-who-are-also-writers, writers-who-are-also-viewers, and so on. Roles morph and morph again in a recursive process, you can never quite pin down whether you&#039;re a particle or a wave, and suddenly we&#039;re not in Kansas anymore. Writing a blog post may involve all the traditional competencies of writing an essay, but the simple act of linking out to another blog weaves together the reader and writer roles so intimately that we have to treat it as something different.   

CONTEXT AND COLLABORATION: That said, I think the changes even go beyond role. Clay mentioned identity management and social reading as possible aspects of 21st c literacy. Instead of the simple person-to-text (text being broadly defined here) relationship I grew up with, where we often raised that silly question about &quot;author&#039;s intent,&quot; students are now faced with a more complex, multimodal scenario. They may be relating to the text, but a link or two later and they very well might find themselves in a relationship with the author, too, not to mention a whole rotating cast of other readers and writers also interested in the same conversation. Communication and expression are no longer a one-off deal, but merge into a larger, possibly-permanent cloud. Mediating and managing your online identity become part of being able to effectively communicate. Being aware of your surroundings and context and audience become very important. It&#039;s a variant of the tree-falls-and-no-one-is-there-to-hear question: If a tree wants to be heard, how and where should it fall to be sure it makes a glorious cacophony? Or if it doesn&#039;t want to make a sound, can it find a place to fall where no one will be listening? 

Thanks again for starting some constructive unpacking of the buzz. Hope I haven&#039;t tossed too many loose items back into the suitcase. Looking forward to reading more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fascinating discussions taking place both here and south of your &#8220;confusion&#8221; post. Thanks for getting them started. Much here to sink the ol&#8217; mental teeth into.</p>
<p>While I&#8217;m heartened to see our familiar friends The 4 Pillars (read, write, speak, listen) out front, loud and proud, and I agree that they&#8217;re fundamental, it feels like something&#8217;s missing. You deserve kudos for critically raising the possibility that the 21st century skills/literacies moniker is slapping a new label on an old concept, and for worrying about the consequences re credibility. But I think there IS something new going on here that goes beyond the Big 4, or at least beyond our traditional understanding of them as the cardinal literacy compass points, and it&#8217;s worth our attention.</p>
<p>Some really-really half-baked attempts to extend what I mean:</p>
<p>SYNTHESES &amp; INTERSTICES: Our traditional sense of reading/writing/speaking/listening (at least, of teaching them) tends to isolate them, focusing on each as if it&#8217;s a monolithic, stand-alone competency. You read. Tomorrow you write. Next month, during the speech unit, you speak. Might 21st c. literacy be about how they interact and combine and synthesize? About what happens in the spaces between the monoliths, or in the student whose engagement shifts quickly between them, and whose role (reader/writer/speaker/listener) shifts as quickly? I agree with the basic premises of your VT example&#8212;it&#8217;s useless without core literacy, and it&#8217;ll give way to something new before we know it. But I think it&#8217;s a good, current example of a &#8220;new literacy&#8221; experience in the way that it juxtaposes the Big 4, and allows (demands, almost) engagement with all four at once. And, more to the point, it demands attention to their interrelationships and intercontextuality. How, for instance, my thinking about a VT artifact organically changes from first viewing to second as a result of listening to a comment, or how my understanding of a comment changes as a result of composing my own comment. Is it enough to be just readers or writers in isolation? We need to be readers-who-are-also-writers, writers-who-are-also-viewers, and so on. Roles morph and morph again in a recursive process, you can never quite pin down whether you&#8217;re a particle or a wave, and suddenly we&#8217;re not in Kansas anymore. Writing a blog post may involve all the traditional competencies of writing an essay, but the simple act of linking out to another blog weaves together the reader and writer roles so intimately that we have to treat it as something different.   </p>
<p>CONTEXT AND COLLABORATION: That said, I think the changes even go beyond role. Clay mentioned identity management and social reading as possible aspects of 21st c literacy. Instead of the simple person-to-text (text being broadly defined here) relationship I grew up with, where we often raised that silly question about &#8220;author&#8217;s intent,&#8221; students are now faced with a more complex, multimodal scenario. They may be relating to the text, but a link or two later and they very well might find themselves in a relationship with the author, too, not to mention a whole rotating cast of other readers and writers also interested in the same conversation. Communication and expression are no longer a one-off deal, but merge into a larger, possibly-permanent cloud. Mediating and managing your online identity become part of being able to effectively communicate. Being aware of your surroundings and context and audience become very important. It&#8217;s a variant of the tree-falls-and-no-one-is-there-to-hear question: If a tree wants to be heard, how and where should it fall to be sure it makes a glorious cacophony? Or if it doesn&#8217;t want to make a sound, can it find a place to fall where no one will be listening? </p>
<p>Thanks again for starting some constructive unpacking of the buzz. Hope I haven&#8217;t tossed too many loose items back into the suitcase. Looking forward to reading more.</p>
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		<title>By: drezac</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 2009 23:35:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think this is where this debate starts to wind down. You say, &quot;we’ve really started misusing the term literacy.&quot; Really? 

What do you have to say to the idea that the term is just...evolving? And why not let it evolve?  I see this debate, and particularly your point of view, as an attempt to pull back the reigns. I say, let it go forward. Which it will, anyway. 

The question we might as now is: Do we risk disenfranchising our kids by assuming they will have these basic tenets of literacy? That&#039;s where I see this argument going. 

DR</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this is where this debate starts to wind down. You say, &#8220;we’ve really started misusing the term literacy.&#8221; Really? </p>
<p>What do you have to say to the idea that the term is just&#8230;evolving? And why not let it evolve?  I see this debate, and particularly your point of view, as an attempt to pull back the reigns. I say, let it go forward. Which it will, anyway. </p>
<p>The question we might as now is: Do we risk disenfranchising our kids by assuming they will have these basic tenets of literacy? That&#8217;s where I see this argument going. </p>
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